Mahmoud Salem
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I have always maintained that neither Hamas nor Fatah are the solution to the palestinians problems. That in order for this situation to get resolved, a third way has to present itself, and none has presented itself so far. Between Fatah the corrupt and Hamas the suicidal, the palestinians seem eternally screwed and their statehood in doubt. This op-ed piece takes it a bit further and claims that based on the region's history for the past 60 years, a sovreign palestinian state has no chance of existnace or success! I am not sure I agree, but he does have some very valid points!

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15 thoughts on “The Third way?

  1. The author of that piece is missing a big part of the picture.
    Check-out
    http://www.reut-institute.org/
    The Anti-Israel Resistance Network has created a strategic “inversion.” While they may pretend and make false offers, the Palestinians no longer want a state, their strategy is to try and force Israel to occupy Gaza and the West Bank indefinitely. Along with Iran, they hope to weaken and compromise Israel slowly, until they can destroy it completely.

  2. The author of that piece is missing a big part of the picture.
    Check-out
    http://www.reut-institute.org/
    The Anti-Israel Resistance Network has created a strategic “inversion.” The Palestinians no longer want a state, and their strategy is to try and force Israel to occupy Gaza and the West Bank indefinitely. Along with Iran, they hope to weaken Israel slowly, theire

  3. Like the IRA, the various Palestinian liberation groups have found that organized crime is much more fun and profitable than running a government.

  4. To solve the problem effectively, it’s key creators need to be an intrinsic part of the solution. That means Egypt and Jordan in particular and the Arab League in general.

    Tearing down the Gaza-Egypt Wall could be a start …..

  5. a sovreign palestinian state has no chance of existnace or success!

    It depends how you define existence or success.

    Compared to what, for example?

    Somalia? Afghanistan? Yemen? Algeria?

    It certainly doesn’t help that the official line of the state controlled media in the Arab world – including in the Palestinian media – keeps feeding into the worst demons of Palestinian society and culture.

    But there is so much potential in brain power/education and drive – it’s just being funnelled and channelled in such an unproductive (to be charitable) way.

    Very few of their leading lights focus inward, philisophically, rheotically or practically – and instead, almost universally, go after Israel, America, Europe – and the rest of the Arab/Muslim world for not “sufficiently” supporting them and their cause – even though according to many in the Arab and Muslim world it’s all people care about, to the exclusion of the huge problems in their home countries.

    That’s a vicious, sad cycle.

  6. I am not sure I agree

    Why not? I would think after a brief conversation with Twosret, you would see that the hate is just too overwhelming for Palestinians to have any future that is better than what they have right now. And just looking at the last 60 years, you can easily see that things at every stage have gotten worse, not better. So, with history as a precedent… this year will be worse for Palestinians than 2006 was. And 2008 will be worse than 2007. And so on. The Palestinians are the “Frankenstein’s Monster” of the Arab world. Nobody wants them. And nobody actually wants to defeat Israel either, because then there wouldn’t be anybody for Palestinians and their supporters to focus all that murderous rage against. So, they’ll turn it on Egypt and Jordan and Lebanon. Israel may have been the “problem” for Arab governments in 1948, but the problem for Arab governments NOW is the Palestinians.

    Ask Mubarak. He knows the truth.

  7. I’m sure there is somewhere among the Palestinians a Mother Theresa or Ghandi who would be able to actually lead the country to peace instead of death and destruction.

  8. “I’m sure there is somewhere among the Palestinians a Mother Theresa or Ghandi who would be able to actually lead the country to peace instead of death and destruction.”

    Yes, but would said person survive long enough to make an impact? And even if he/she did, would anyone really listen?

    Let’s hope that this conflict is nearing it’s absolute lowpoint, where everyone involved realizes that there is only one way… up! And there is only one way up… together!

  9. S.monkey the article you posted sucked a little and was poor in contextualizing the facts used in the argument.
    One paragraph starts like this: “In 2006, Hezbollah attacked Israel,”
    The extent of misrepresentation of the facts is horrendous. What about the fact that Israel entered Lebanon dozens of times during 2006, 2005, 2004 and 2003?

    ps. I love the spell checker on your blog. Makes life so easy when you’re a terrible speller like me.

  10. “The extent of misrepresentation of the facts is horrendous. What about the fact that Israel entered Lebanon dozens of times during 2006, 2005, 2004 and 2003?”

    And there, in a nutshell, is the problem. Dude, wake up, someone has to learn to let bygones be bygones and move forward. Till it happens, that article is spot on.

  11. Imad, forgive me for singling you out. I had a direct point while scrolling down to compose this and then skimmed by your comment, which does tie into my point. In your post you are more interested in splitting hairs about who started the last skirmish between Lebanon and Israel, instead of seeing the point of the Op-Ed piece.

    How does this tie into the point/question I was going to ask ? Despite spending the last 5 years or more learning about the Middle East, including an understanding of all of the different factions of Islam, I am always left with the question of why can’t any of these groups stop the killing and get on with the process of raising their nations from the ashes ? All I ever hear when there is an analysis of countries in the Middle East in strife the finger is perpetually pointed at an outside entity ? Does this mean that I do not recongize the suffering of the Palestinians, of course it doesn’t, cause I do. But for God’s sake, What is happening in Palestine today, is 100% the fault of the Palestinian leadership, who are Palestinians.

    The same goes for Iraq. While I viamently disagreed with the US starting an unprovoked war in Iraq and despise Dubya, the result of ousting Saddam still provided Iraq with a fresh start which has and will continue to be crushed because of Arab in-fighting.

    All I ever hear is that someone else is to blame. Devil America, Israel. It is absolutely never ever the fault of an Arab state. I take no sides, ever. I use reason and sometimes, like the case of the horrific loss of those poor boys, but at whose hands did they die. Other Arabs !

    In every single country on this planet, you have groups who disagree with other groups and it is adamant disagreement. Yet the use of violence to resolve issues in some Middle Eastern nations is so prolific that it is hard to empathise and more so when death lays at their feet inflicted by a fellow Arab and I see nothing but finger pointing at everyone but the culprits.

    The entire world wants the Middle East to be a peaceful place, where children can run around and play and economies flourish, but one has to wonder if this can ever happen in places like Palestine. There comes a point when we all just drop our hands and say fuck it, the stress of caring is just too much.

    As so many have said before, until many in the Middle East are able to admit some fault in what happens in their lives, no progress will be made. Until the Palestinians can lay down their guns and discuss issues, they can point their fingers at everyone else but things will not get better for them.

    I just don’t get it !

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