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Well, with foriegn arabs flocking to Iraq to blow themselves up and funding iraqis to do the same, not to mention the redicilous arab worship to Sadam and Zarqawi, I am surprised this didn't happen sooner!
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I guess it’s understandible, When you start arguments with your family in the hoem you dont want neighbors giving their two cents/Bomb vests
I already wonder when Iraqis will suddenly notice that Jews and Israel have never done anything to Iraqis, and that Israel’s enemies are exactly those Iraqis don’t like: Arab Palestinians, Saddam, other Arab countries etc.
And incidentally, isn’t it odd that the three democratic countries in the middle east, Israel, Lebanon, and Iraq seem to have the same problems caused by the same people?
About bloody time…! Hopefully, this realization can foreshorten the time needed for the stationing of foreign troops in the country!!!
Now we just need the lebanese people to come to the same conclusion…
I agree with adam b on lebanon, 5 divisions of well mannered canadians, problem solved.
I like the spin of the article, that somehow it is the Iraqis’ fault and failing that they are suspicious of non-Iraqi Arabs with large parcels on public transportation, that they are being unfair and hateful toward these peace-loving immigrants, just because a significant fraction of them tend to explode at inconvinient times.
Good find, SM!!
I fear Iraqis may start attacking any Arabs speaking with accent indiscriminately. It will result in hatred from abroad and retaliatory attacks against Iraqi immigrants in Arab countries.
This is excellent. The power of psychological operations (advertising) cannot be underestimated. Iraqis need to be united as Iraqis. They need to feel pride in being Iraqi, not Arab. A nation of patriots under no one’s thumb…this is what will win the war. May God bless Iraq.
Why is this surprising? Hell, the Mahdi Army last month ordered all Palestinians in Iraq to leave or “prepare to die”.
It was in the Telegraph IIRC.
@Andrew: Some of the Kurds already seem to have made that connection.
However, I doubt you’re going to see a more general trend. Any tendency toward reasonable behavior right now is fueled by the fact that the US is a patron that is neither anti-Israel Sunni nor anti-Israel Shiite. If the US withdraws, even moderate Iraqis – concerned for their own survival, as they should be – will need to seek patronage with the major Arab Sunni regimes or the Iranian regimes. So they will burnish their anti-Israel credentials at some point.
What scares many leaders in the region is the nightmare scenario in which the US withdraws and a Shia junta overthrows the elected government, massacres enough Sunnis and others to terrify Iraqis generally into submission, and then forms a tight alliance with Iran and, at least temporarily, with Syria.
The worry that a US withdrawal from Iraq could lead to an arc of terror running from Iran through Iraq and Syria to Lebanon scares the living **** out of the Gulf countries and Jordan and goes a long way to explain the sudden Saudi and Jordanian talk about “nuclear power” *cough* nuclear weapons *cough* and the sudden, unprecedented Saudi outreach to American Jews.
well how yall doin im j.r. from austin tx and let me weigh in on the general subjuct at hand , until we commit ourselves as a country to crushing radical islam . i said crushing as in overwhelming deliberate force . The muslim world as a whole has been under sharia or some type of hardline rule for so long , that this is th e only thing they recognize as order and law . sad as it may be it is the truth . there is a kindness and caring in the human spirit , that is what the radicals are trying to stamp out . until we show that we as americans can crush and destroy the radicals the muslims everywhere must live in fear of dire reprisal . even if they dont see at first glance in these peoples minds they have to support these psychopath imams in pakistan london n.y. etc. becuase the regular joe in iraq thinks americans will leave and this is who will be in control .
@Andrews first comment: I’m not Arguing with you, just making couple of points.
1) What makes you think that Lebanon is democratic or how could you even imagine that Iraq is Democratic???
2)Yes i agree that Israel hasn’t done much to Iraqis..as of late, But there was an incident called the RAID ON THE REACTOR when Israel blew up Sadams nuclear test facilities in the 80’s. (i’m just pointing this out so you know about it, you can see a realy good documentary on it on google)
I also hope the Iraqis can somehow stop the Arab extremists from getting there, that is what happened to Afghanistan with the Taliban.
@Phillip Norris: you say “The muslim world as a whole has been under sharia or some type of hardline rule for so long , that this is th e only thing they recognize as order and law ”
Realy, now where did you get that information? hmmm probably FOX NEWS! Cuz i’ve lived in Muslim counties and most of them don’t have a SHARIA law…and do you know what Real Sharia law is?? Go do some research before you come here with your USA needs to crush blah blah blah…did you even know that MOST MUSLIMS ARE NOT ARABS!!
The Fundementalist Asswipes are everywhere and they can’t be crushed by the USA, the only thing the USA does is actually gain them SYMPATHY and more recruits.
The Fundementalists have to be crushed from Within…by Education and STATE Sponsored Religious Leaders, who preach true peacful Islam and not the rediculous hardline teachings that go on! This is the only way to save the Teens who get radicalized by their peers.
ps: Remember most muslims are moderate peacful people, so try not to Generalize there Mr Texas!
Wow, MR. MOD Pharaoh, I must say you don’t do a very good job at looking down your nose. First, we here in the Kentucky watch FOX NEWS and in the last 4 days
they reported that a boy went nuts in a shopping mall and killed about 6 or 7 folks,
yet he was as the neighbors say a “nice boy” a muslim from Bosnia, and again on Sunday a cab driver went Nuts and ran over two guys and try to kill them, one is near death as I write, yet he was as the neighbors say a nice boy, a muslim from Solmalia, and it’s only Tuesday. Cnn and the others do they best to keep the full stories from the general public, As to a STATE Sponsored any thing you might want to ask how that’s going for China, North Korea or the papers that disagreed with Mr. Putin.
MR MOD Pharaoh, here’s something from a moderate Muslim country, again not Arab, This story is from our news.com.au network Source: Reuters
Spies to snoop on unmarried lovers
* From correspondents in Malaysia
* February 20, 2007
A MALAYSIAN state plans to recruit “spies” from the public to snoop on unmarried lovers and report them to Islamic religious authorities.
The Terengganu State Government plans to enlist the part-time spies to look out for un-Islamic behaviour, such as unmarried couples kissing or holding hands, the Star daily newspaper said.
“Some of these ‘spies’ could be waitresses or even janitors at hotels acting as auxiliary undercover agents for our religious department,” the head of the State Government’s Islamic and Welfare Committee, Rosol Wahid, was quoted as saying.
“Accurate details are required for the enforcement officers to act, otherwise they could be pouncing on married couples.”
Last October, religious police in another part of this mainly Muslim country caused an outcry when they mistakenly raided the rented holiday apartment of a Christian American couple on suspicion that they were unmarried Muslims in “close proximity
btesh Says:”First, we here in the Kentucky watch FOX NEWS and in the last 4 days they reported that a boy went nuts in a shopping mall and killed about 6 or 7 folks, yet he was as the neighbors say a “nice boy” a muslim from Bosnia, and again on Sunday a cab driver went Nuts and ran over two guys and try to kill them, one is near death as I write, yet he was as the neighbors say a nice boy, a muslim from Solmalia, and it’s only Tuesday. Cnn and the others do they best to keep the full stories from the general public”
And it turns out a Palestinian who murdered seven people in NY in the 1990s did so for Jihadi reasons – but the PLO told the family to keep quiet and the MSM refused to report it. It is time to start collecting lists of terror attacks committed by member of the Religion of Peace that the media refuse to report. Sirhan Sirhan was a Muslim. Australia’s very first terror attack was by a Turk in 1904 when for no apparent reason he took a gun and shot up a train. A Muslim shot up the CIA’s HQ a while back. Isn’t it interesting how often members of the Religion of Peace go off the rails and Buddhists do not?
Good Morning HeiGou, First, I’m sorry that I got fired up at Mod Pharaoh, just some seem not to see what is on the end of they nose.
Maybe some of you guys would like a Info about something closer to home from tthe out side looking in. hope the link works!
http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2007/02/alguardian_the_.html
” 1) What makes you think that Lebanon is democratic or how could you even imagine that Iraq is Democratic???”
What I think is irrelevant. The terrorists see these countries as democratic or falling into the trap of democracy.
“2)Yes i agree that Israel hasn’t done much to Iraqis..as of late, But there was an incident called the RAID ON THE REACTOR when Israel blew up Sadams nuclear test facilities in the 80’s. (i’m just pointing this out so you know about it, you can see a realy good documentary on it on google)”
I know about the raid on the empty reactor. I said “Iraqis”, not “Iraq”. Saddam was Israel’s enemy and Israel hurt him (and vice versa). But there was NOTHING between Israelis and Iraqis, except Iraq’s attacks on Israel.
Israel fought back, but Iraq was never one of the countries that was close enough actually to lose anything.
Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon; they have actually open wounds. I am not blaming Israel for them, but I can see it takes time to heal. Iraq has no such wounds.
When it comes to Iraq, Israel was simply one of the many enemies of the hated regime, while Palestinian Arabs were the regime’s allies.
@Modern Pharaoh:
Mind if I try to answer these, man? 😉
1) What makes you think that Lebanon is democratic or how could you even imagine that Iraq is Democratic???
How are they not democratic? Both have elected governments, both are accountable to their people. Lebanon has sectarian modifications to its system which force that certain roles be held by people of a certain sect, in an attempt to get the sects to cooperate. Were the leadership more interested in the welfare of the nation as a whole and not just in their specific sects, then it would also be a great deal more stable. And if all the political and military positions that were assigned by Syria were cleared of their current holders, then the country could have a president of its very own and maybe an army that can be relied upon.
As for Iraq, they elected their leadership. They seem to have a constitution, last time I checked. Is it a stable democracy? Nope. Still falls under the definition of a democracy though.
Neither country has a *working* democracy, yes. Neither country is stable, or even capable of truly upholding its own sovereignty for that matter, but they’re still democracies.
2)Yes i agree that Israel hasn’t done much to Iraqis..as of late, But there was an incident called the RAID ON THE REACTOR when Israel blew up Sadams nuclear test facilities in the 80’s.
That was an attack against Saddam’s regime, not against Iraqis. Saddam was an enemy of Israel, publicly so. Supporting terrorists is not a way to win friends, and nor is being a power-hungry bastard who uses every weapon he has regardless of the consequences.
Israel didn’t do squat to Iraqis, but it did try to stop its one-man leadership from going nuclear.
I also hope the Iraqis can somehow stop the Arab extremists from getting there
I share that hope.
@Roman Kalik: Saddam never supported terrorists, and was always targeted for assassination by them! He was a tyrant but he definitly was no terrorist. Next your going to tell me he had WMD’s too! Remember Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 or terrorism…
No, man. He just had nothing to do with Al-Quaeda. He *did* fund several Palestinian organizations which targeted Israel. He used to be the chief funder of families who sent a son to be a suicide-bomber.
“He *did* fund several Palestinian organizations which targeted Israel.”
True. But that never stopped news sites from happily announcing that Saddam had no connection to terrorism. It’s almost as if Jewish victims don’t count.
Indeed. Or that Al-Quaeda is the only terrorist organization in the Middle-East.
Saddam and AQ opposed each other because the pan-Islamist zealot vision has no room in it for the old secular pan-Arabic vision. Saddam was an old-school pan-Arabist.
Israel really isn’t relevant to this story other than to note that the sick bastards who order terrorists to blow up Baghdad marketplaces are the same sick bastards who order terrorists to blow up civilians in Beirut and Rishon Lezion.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3367591,00.html
And the crime is the same: the deliberately targeted massacre of innocent civilians – whether they are Iraqi Shia, Iraqi Sunnis, Lebanese Christians or Israeli Jews.
Leauki,
“True. But that never stopped news sites from happily announcing that Saddam had no connection to terrorism. It’s almost as if Jewish victims don’t count. ”
I’m sitting here wracking my brains over what “It’s almost as if” contributes to what you wrote. It’s pretty clear that much of the world does not consider guerilla attacks against Israeli civilian targets to be “terrorism”. In the Reuters world view, Jews don’t count. Never did, never will.
BrooklynJon,
It was bitter sarcasm.
Three American women were kidnapped in Ramallah yesterday. They don’t count either. If they did, the US would be launching F-16s from teh 6th fleet to bomb HAMAS leadership, as we speak. US policy is to kill terrorists and those who support them, when they commit terror attacks against the US. Unless they are Palestinian terrorists, I suppose.
That’s got to change. Death to HAMAS! Death to Islamic Jihad! Death to whatever the PLO is calling itself these days!
Bush, wake up and smell the terrorism. Lebanon and the Palestinian territories are target rich environments. How’s about some of that justice you promised us? Kill the fuckers. Kill them dead.
This is kind of unrelated but I have question for the Israelis here. Who actually builds settlements in the palestinian territories these days? Not the Israeli governmnent right? Private citizens? Non-government organizations?
HeiGou;
Sirhan Sirhan was a Christian.
Aliandra Says:”Sirhan Sirhan was a Christian.”
He was born a Christian. He converted to a lot of things including Islam.