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..for refusing to guard the Israeli embassy!
A military tribunal for a policeman, who isn't part of the military. What???
If you can figure out how the crazy people who run this country think, please let me know.
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they don’t think !
in egypt, even univeristy professors can be sent to military tribunals if the state says so
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Policeman who refuses to perfom his duty must be fired but tribunal…
The British government allowed a British Muslim policeman to refuse to guard the Israeli Embassy.
See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5410094.stm
I think he ought to be sacked. On the other hand at least he is letting everyone know. Unlike the Jordanian soldier who shoot up the Israeli schoolgirls. There are worse ways of finding out.
Well this is worded all wrong…
Israel guards its own sovereign territory and would never expect or trust an Egyptian national to guard their embassy with his life. Reports that he would rather face punishment than “guard the Israeli embassy” make him sound like some kind of heroic martyr.
What this guy did was refuse to police an *Egyptian neighborhood* (yeah, his JOB) because the Israeli embassy happens to be there. Dereliction of duty, period.
So what do you think the reaction would be if a jewish policeman in israel or any other country for that matter refused to guard an egyptian embassy. I doubt it would ever happen. You cannot pick or choose who you want to protect as policeman.
I guess it’s kinda the same as when danish soldiers refuse to serve in Iraq – they recieve a small fine and a discharge. You can refuse something if it’s against your conviction; just don’t expect the rest of society to accept unconditionally and without consequence…
WAKE UP EVERY BODY AND READ THE ARTICLE WELL.
GIVE THE FUCKER A PROPER SALARY BEFORE SENDING HIM ANYWHERE
LOL#@~??????????#
Cafeteria style policing, a little of this, a little of that, but, oh, no, not that, I hate that.
9. Aardvark EF-111B:
Relax, you don’t have to yell…
I’m sure his economical situation is not much different from that of 90% of the population. Reassigning police officers to different parts of the country is probably standard procedure, which he should be quite aware of – nothing else is hinted at in the article.
The fact remains that he refuses to do the duty that he signed up for due to political/religious issues and as such must accept any disciplinary consequences, including fines and loss of job. A court martial seems a bit out of place though, but considering how the egyptian government treats it’s political opposition (Ayman Nour), this should come as no surprise…
The truth is that egyptian people never fully accept the so called peace treaty with Israël.
whether or not he meant to yell, aardvark does have a point. the story is confusing. is it about guarding the israeli embassy or the financial hardship of being moved to another part of the country? the story is a mish-mash — and usually, in my experience, when someone has a mundane reason AND a political reason for doing something, it is usually the mundane reason that really matters to them, but they add the political reason to (A) look better and (b) get people to rally around them. my guess is his real reason is financial…. the israeli embassy thing just happened to work out in his favor because he gets to look good while asking to not do something he doesn’t want to do. why even mention the other thing if he was truly zealous in his refusal to guard the embassy?
It sounds like the guy has one real reason and one lame excuse. It’s not clear whether his real reason is economics or politics (if it’s the latter, then at least, as HeiGou says, he is protesting nonviolently). In either case, he has an option: if a police job is not economically feasible, or if he doesn’t like doing the job he is paid to do, HE CAN RESIGN FROM THE POLICE FORCE.
I am sure that the reason he is being tried in a military tribunal is not because it involves Israel but rather because a policeman was publicly refusing orders in a security-related context. If the government allows this, what’s next? Refusing to arrest members of the Muslim Brotherhood when ordered to do so?
So I suspect that the harsh nature of the response was a deliberate message to members of the police and security forces: obey orders.
I lived in Egyot as a member of the foreign expat community while my parents were stationed at the U.S. Embassy. I remember the Israeli Ambassador’s residence and the consulate downtown quite well. I also remember the deplorable condition in which the “police” had to serve, leading to the insurrection of 1986 which I witnessed firsthand. I say “police” only because the article never references which service he actually was assigned to; if he were assigned to guard a diplomatic compound, it would probably be the black-uniformed (in winter) State Security Services, which are paramilitary in nature and probably regulated by military law in the A.R.E., thus explaining the tribunal (I am not stating this as a fact, but rather speculating.) He is most likely from a remote village in Upper Egypt and has to stand duty for 12 hours without relief, getting one bowl of fool and a pice of balady bread per day, with minimal pay and harsh living conditions. These guys were all over my neighborhood in Ma’adi, and they were always friendly for the most part.
15. CAC-’88:
Yes maybe, but is he any worse off than most others from his “level” in society?
The fact still remains that he has refused a duty that he likely took an oath to uphold, because of his political/religious belief. In civilized countries, this has consequences… In Europe, we have policeofficers protecting neo-nazis against harm, despite most of them being revolted by their political stance. This is no different.
Adam B. –
This guy is a conscript. He was forced by the government to leave his village and serve for three years, and the government decided if he went to State Security or the Army (or one of the other “police” agencies in Cairo, like Army Intelligence, Political Intelligence, or the numerous other agencies which operate independantly of each other.)
I wouldn’t infer that Egypt is any less ‘civilized’ because you don’t perceive any consequences from his unwillingness to serve out an assignment which violate his religious convictions. I think that allowing people with religious reservations to voice discontent about government policy by refusing to abett that policy is a reasonable strategy for any society, given the power that religious motivation can have over people. No one would understand this better that a society that has withstood the Pharaos, the Ptolemys, the Umayyads, the French, the British, and is now suffering through Brittney Spears with the rest of us.
17. CAC-’88 Says:
I don’t know the structure of the Egyptian institutions, but given that he is referred to as a police officer, and not army personnel, I will assume that he joined the force of his own free will, thus breaking a vow that he took willingly. However, if drafting is indeed the issue I will conceed your arguement. I still think a military trial is an odd choice though…